Re : Debate on GM solutions to hacking

[Deathgod]

GMFirst,

Finally some sane and professional replies from the GMs. Why do you always surface when the issue becomes more serious. Did you not surface when the whole warman issue too was going completely out of hand. What is this, are u some kind of secret weapon or are you a "Merc for hire" kind of guy who is asked by the sify guys for troubleshooting. Why cant you just shoot in when the thing is in the nascent stage itself and give replies. Anyways this was not to offend you or anything, just something that was buggin me for quite some time.

You made some clarifications, i would like some more, if you dont mind.

1. Non Retrieval of Items - I would not say that innumerable cases comes to my mind. but 2 cases definitely come -
a - Antidote's g10 set - everyone knows that his entire set was absent when his char was hacked. His passives too were gone. But why was his set give back to him. Cos he was a full g10 ? Cos his efforts are "more" than us ?
b. Poppat - Have u guys seen his set ? His set was hacked. But that turned out to be a real blessing. What he got back was a completely "maxed set". ROFL. His spear pants have options of 28,40,40. His boots are maxed. His gloves too. Helmet even. Care to explain that.

2. Wakiza - He was blamed to be a GM char or a GM helped char. AFter the whole debate against him started. He disappeared. Very convenient eh? If he was a a self made character i would not imagine neone just leavin like that.

3. Timing of Events - Many of us work to make a living. Not all of us go to college or school. You hold a mega event like ToD on friday evening at 5. You get some sadistic joy by makin us bunk work or something ? Inspite of requests by players you failed to change the timing this time around. Another repeated request that have gone to deaf ears are to hold events at nights. There are many of us who log on online at nights only. Please, in the sweet name of god, do hold some good events for us apart from some crapppy extra exp event.

4.A Proper guide and background of a3 - A complete guide with passives information, merc information, damage of weapons, special quests, monster details, etc would be really helpful. Would it be possible for you guys to convert the korean site to english. More details abt the bakcground of the game would be helpful. What would be most helpful is to help us know how to build more relations and how relations will help us with every aspect of the game

5. Zeams of immortality or whatever that event is ? cud u pls elaborate as to why the stupid critirea of who spends most time ? were u guys like just sitting around a bar, and like thinking "hmm, wat cud be the most stuid way to select the ppl to kill renias" ? :d .. no offence !

6. --- well kinda noobish. But abt the sad drop rates and epi 3 ?? coming soon eh ? heh heh

7. Is sellin accounts for wz too not allowed ?? Your RoC is not very clear on that part.

Regards,

[bring_it__on]

1. Sant - You dont share it with your own brother. How can your get hacked? Wierd. I did some homework. The answer turns out to be real simple. You are lying. This is something totally un acceptable in an open discussion forum. Here are the facts for those who are still not seeing the clear picture.
Sant's blood brother as he calls him plays his account. Well he even has a physical network of A3 gamers who happen to be his work colleagues. Sant is also very much aware of it. He also plays another char whose name starts with a 'C'.
Wanna try and prove me wrong Sant?
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wow .. GmFirst u must be born detective u foun many craps ... k if u check ur inbox around dec 2006 u would really found out who's sant brother is n whts his char name if u dont have them here it is " Darkshadow i hate to tell this ....but first u asked for it ....

I dont play Sant's account n i dont like warriors a bit... i play 2 diff accounts one char tht starts with " C " and Hk " Darkshadow" (which i quited long back cause of u ) I have many links with my collegues n it doesnt mean i share pwd with them .so ur saying tht u share ur offical ids pwd with ur collegues ?

Infact i never logged in with sant's account even 1s n thats my word .

Coming to t char C : u came to knw this only cause of ur stupid arena bug
which my char got stuck . so sant pmed guidemax for the same he didnt even allow me to type :X and i dont even bother to ask him thts our understanding of each others privacy ... if u have brothers r sisters u ll know

V were playing t game from Aug 2005 u wasnt even created at tht time and if v shared our accounts sant would have reached aura by know . so instead of telling sme lame excuses just work on the hole of urs ie tht security hole .

so GmFirst if u say any of the above is wrong then prove it else ur style "SHUT- UP" . And why the hell gmdiablo replied for my thread ( tht to irrelavent) i asked him not to reply back ... n u better go check t mail n reply .

PS : Gmfirst there is a saying in professional world " employees quit their managers not the company " by this im telling u tht vr not quiting t game vr quiting t gm's like .. v do have lots of other entertainment so better consider our valid request .

[Naaraku]

Well Gm comparing Gaming with real life.how can i reply for a post like that?? We play to free ourselves from those real life worries but A3 seems to be like one bigger than the former and thats wht the GMS have mentioned clearly.

Well i just have one question Linainverse was hacked last june and his Set and SS lost.Well u guys did return them all and he got back his SS on oct.can u xplain how u did that ?? if once it can be done why not again.

@barbaric rofl barbaric dont talk about warman.caus he was a GM char all know and more than that i my self know warman personally and have seen him playing it.

WEll GM first we posted the debate asking u to change the ""ITEM RETRIEVAL POLICY" and we know about the existing policy.caus u guys returning the char naked is useless.we do make mistakes all of us and punishment like returning chars naked is not acceptable.after proving this is our account and u guys have to give us back the stuff caus once u return the chars u know it has gone to the rightfull owner,then why not the stuffs.

"CHANGE UR RETRIEVAL POLICY TO FACILITATE US" and not push us down

[Gmfirst]

GMFirst,

Finally some sane and professional replies from the GMs. Why do you always surface when the issue becomes more serious. Did you not surface when the whole warman issue too was going completely out of hand. What is this, are u some kind of secret weapon or are you a "Merc for hire" kind of guy who is asked by the sify guys for troubleshooting. Why cant you just shoot in when the thing is in the nascent stage itself and give replies. Anyways this was not to offend you or anything, just something that was buggin me for quite some time.

You made some clarifications, i would like some more, if you dont mind.

1. Non Retrieval of Items - I would not say that innumerable cases comes to my mind. but 2 cases definitely come -
a - Antidote's g10 set - everyone knows that his entire set was absent when his char was hacked. His passives too were gone. But why was his set give back to him. Cos he was a full g10 ? Cos his efforts are "more" than us ?

Antidote's set was NPC'ed. Just that. All of the items to the same NPC. No further damage was done. I said before and i say i again, NPC ing an item is not the end of it. His Passives were never given to him in that incident along with the money that was in his inventory.

b. Poppat - Have u guys seen his set ? His set was hacked. But that turned out to be a real blessing. What he got back was a completely "maxed set". ROFL. His spear pants have options of 28,40,40. His boots are maxed. His gloves too. Helmet even. Care to explain that.

Its a rare update error that happens while manipulating accounts. Its left to the player to inform us of these. If we were to find out via other means he would face penalty. I have come across 2 other players who had the same scenario perviously.

2. Wakiza - He was blamed to be a GM char or a GM helped char. AFter the whole debate against him started. He disappeared. Very convenient eh? If he was a a self made character i would not imagine neone just leavin like that.

I have no idea why he left the game. He was really good, an international A3 player with good game knowledge. His character got damaged in the december issue and was given a new character just as how 'Krail' was provided with a new char. He is not a GM nor did we help any char like that.

3. Timing of Events - Many of us work to make a living. Not all of us go to college or school. You hold a mega event like ToD on friday evening at 5. You get some sadistic joy by makin us bunk work or something ? Inspite of requests by players you failed to change the timing this time around. Another repeated request that have gone to deaf ears are to hold events at nights. There are many of us who log on online at nights only. Please, in the sweet name of god, do hold some good events for us apart from some crapppy extra exp event.

Agreed. Will employ more feedback systems to understand player favoured timings.

4.A Proper guide and background of a3 - A complete guide with passives information, merc information, damage of weapons, special quests, monster details, etc would be really helpful. Would it be possible for you guys to convert the korean site to english. More details abt the bakcground of the game would be helpful. What would be most helpful is to help us know how to build more relations and how relations will help us with every aspect of the game

We have translated most of the stuff and put it up as static pages.

5. Zeams of immortality or whatever that event is ? cud u pls elaborate as to why the stupid critirea of who spends most time ? were u guys like just sitting around a bar, and like thinking "hmm, wat cud be the most stuid way to select the ppl to kill renias" ? :d .. no offence !

We come up with different event ideas all the time. From the feedback we understand players dont like this event much. We will see if it can be tweaked a bit.

6. --- well kinda noobish. But abt the sad drop rates and epi 3 ?? coming soon eh ? heh heh

7. Is sellin accounts for wz too not allowed ?? Your RoC is not very clear on that part.

We dont recongnize Account selling/buyin in any form.

wow .. GmFirst u must be born detective u foun many craps ... k if u check ur inbox around dec 2006 u would really found out who's sant brother is n whts his char name if u dont have them here it is " Darkshadow i hate to tell this ....

I dont have to be a born detective for that. You brothers play with the same PC and i would put out more info if sant would stand up and deny what i have said. Also i'll tell you a secret we have logs for all that you do in the game .

Well i just have one question Linainverse was hacked last june and his Set and SS lost.Well u guys did return them all and he got back his SS on oct.can u xplain how u did that ?? if once it can be done why not again.

The player who had the SS agreed to return the SS. Goodwill amongst players helps sometimes.

@barbaricl rofl barbaric dont talk about warman.caus he was a GM char all know and more than that i my self know warman personally and have seen him playing it.

You are lying one way or the other. If warman was a GM then there is no way you have seen him loggin in front of you. None of the GM's have ever come to a cafe and logged in any character.

WEll GM first we posted the debate asking u to change the ""ITEM RETRIEVAL POLICY" and ...

The policy is framed on the following basic goals.
1. To provide a last ditch effort to a player even though he is at fault.
2. To help the player in an attempt to rejuvenate his hacked account to the max possible.
3. Not to encourage carelessness in the form of account sharing and buying accounts online.
Any suggestion to the policy which aims to achieve the above three are welcome.

[bring_it__on]

@Gmfirst
lol i think i dont know tht ... if u do use log to that much xtent u can easily trace many things ...

You brothers play with the same PC and i would put out more info if sant would stand up and deny what i have said.

wht u xpect from brothers staying in same house ? playing from diff pc .. i dont mind if u sponser me with a pc n BB ...

im remainding u tht its against ROC still if sant is intrested u can ask him ...but im sure he ll deny t crap wht u have posted .. i still wonder how u came to this funny logic to defend urself ...

wht happened to t thread i posted in gm' session couple of weeks back ? couldnt find words to reply them back ?

[Gmfirst]

Either you dont understand me or you dont understand yourself. I have certain facts to prove you share accounts. He users your Cha.. and you use his Sant. If you are still adamant of this and wish to challenge it. Go ahead and do it. I will display the evidence to back my findings and penalise your character for mis-representing information to the admins and this gaming community. For me to do that i need Sant to open up and make the claim. Its your call. I dont want to reveal any further information for nothing.

[Naaraku]

You are lying one way or the other. If warman was a GM then there is no way you have seen him loggin in front of you. None of the GM's have ever come to a cafe and logged in any character.

Haha ha ha ha ha u know something called as EVENT that u conducted in chennai that is when we were sitting side by side and playing.Oh and one more thing dont tell me i am lying U know urself should there was one more char at that time called KILLER.now dont say he was not a GM char
i myself played that char with passives and maxed set

Gmfirst how many lies will u tell to cover up ur mistakes..

[Sant]

Mr GmFirst,
I really appreciate that you have come out in forums to discuss. Intraction with GM and players will make a healthy and open community.
Further you are talented enough to defend your case.Even if I were in your shoes will do the same.

I will try to quote and explain my views and comments you have made.

1. Sant - You dont share it with your own brother. How can your get hacked? Wierd. I did some homework. The answer turns out to be real simple. You are lying. This is something totally un acceptable in an open discussion forum. Here are the facts for those who are still not seeing the clear picture.
Sant's blood brother as he calls him plays his account. Well he even has a physical network of A3 gamers who happen to be his work colleagues. Sant is also very much aware of it. He also plays another char whose name starts with a 'C'.
Wanna try and prove me wrong Sant?

Wierd isn't it..!! Even I was shocked when the first time I got hacked.
Unless you have trace our chat logs its not possible for you to quote that I knew my bothers work colleagues through game.

.......Also i'll tell you a secret we have logs for all that you do in the game........

Exactly.
Remeber the Nerdiyar(G) Storage box which was shown in public from my char..? Well there were 3 of them. I returned two of them to Guidemax.One was missing. So the 3rd box was transfered to some other account. Was that account traced..? Its not really hard to find something unsuall in the trace files. Its not pointy hair or stone piece missing. I have the mails which I have send for these issues.

Upon reading this thread, What can understand is that, you are trying to defend yourself by telling that brothers residing at a same house share their accounts and hence I got my account hacked in the past cost of account sharing.. Which I deny.


If you can do me a favour, just get me the IP when I got hacked, so I can find them and kick their a$$.

GMs have returned my lost items twice.But the third time the replied that items were destroyed. So point was, even if the items were destroyed why not compensate for that coz its not our fault the our chars get hacked.

I will be very glad if we can chat in-game on sunday, if you have any speculation over my Char.

This isn't a publicity stunt.I use show-off section for that.

Your comments further are highly welcomed.

Its 12:24am.. am feeling very sleepy.. Good Night..!!!

Thanks,

[bring_it__on]

@GmFirst

u threatening me ? k let me tell u frm my poc ...

if i have control over t logs i can do wht ever i want ... so whts t point ?


Initially players vr talking abt Gm's selling items n u ask them to prove now i ask u who's responsible to prove .. u guys have all t evidence in t form of log's right so its u who needs to prove tht ur not guilty not us . Else give t logs (original logs) to me i ll try to prove them

I didnt belive those vr real till yesterday but after ur crap i smell fishy abt u ... i think u misunderstood t logs .. it dont show which person logs in ... it shows which char n ip log's in ... so if u wish u can cme to my house on sat/sun (its a invitation so it means unoffical) n u can have 2 witness who can tell u how v play t game

If warman was a GM then there is no way you have seen him loggin in front of you

tht means v have game prom char around us ?



Here is a eg to tell u how much ur logs worth ...

If i send a msg to my frnd tht " Im the God who created u" every1 knows tht it ll b recorded in t logs so ur going to say him god ?


PS: If ur interested in visiting my house send me a private msg n i can guide u futher . i hope its not against ROC

[Excorticmage]

GM first thank you for keeping such a thread in forums ,
i have my own problem which i wanna discuss it so please do reply

Recently my charecter got hacked cuz of installation of keyloggers in our Gamedrome and very moment i came ot know i mailed to a3support
in 4 days i got my char back wen my char got hacked
i had my dex uni staff -nearly 900mil
my maxed optioned saule set 30% mntd each
Each costs 200 mil+
My Iartekk current price 250mil
my SS 5 ele lvl 88 current price 390mil

wen i asked fr my stuffs wat i got as reply was nothing will be retrived start playing again from 0 and enjoy the game
hw can u even imagine to play a 148 lvl mage to make all this things back again i dont even have single thing wid me all my passives r also lost
i dont care abt passives but i was expecting atleast my SS,set n dex uni back cuz those things r real costly specially the mage dex uni it csts even more than g10

till now i got hacked 3 times only cuz of Sofwares installation ,keyloggers etc,
First time i got naked char n 2 g7s n 2 g9s back
seciond time nothin
3 rd time i retrived my charecter myself cuz my alternate email id wasnt changed so u guy gav me my set tht also half changed som noobish useless set was given
ths time i lost the most and u guys r not even replying my mails not also in forums

as far as i know my stuffs were NPCed cuz they r still notseen in market
so if u can retrive NPCed stuffs of antidtethen Ycant y retrive my stuffs

Please do reply me i wanna talk abt this.pleas do help me
i am still expecting help from u guys