IC there is no one who is left out in this game from the eyes of the GM.As ritual told Hellarch was hacked and no item was got back.U wnt to know wht he had well that char had all uniques and nearly 50 Neri's,All G9 items with max options and SS wht else u need for a char.he dint get back all those really to say none of those except char alone.
Some of the decisions might go on accordingly to the chars familiarity and popularity in the game caus it will demoralize all those who know him.
Infact once i heard even sexysam was given permanent ban but i saw him in just one month.it happens and in the case of Pcompany it was Pcompanys mistake to let the ID be shared and DKM' SS was just item sharing and not ID sharing so clearly in game item sharing is not a sin to that far as ID sharing..may be that was the reason why DKM was given back his SS.
I can tell u so many IDS who got stuffs back and they all are not penalised chars too just hacked by some one.IF the GMS believe ur clear on wht ur saying and if thats wht they find in their investigation then obvious u get ur stuffs back...Wht ur were telling as Friends of GMS or blah are all age old stories and believe me no one is left out now no one....
Are gms partial?
Thanks for ur input.
First of all what u said just supports my allegations. All i said GMs prefer to base their decision on popularity of a toon (which obviosly depends on the back up he have in terms of his friends which translates in more paying ids). So if a solo player gets hacked, he might not get a favourable decision coz we all will agree on the point that solo player will have less backup as compared to player from huge cafe.
Coming to question of DKM's ss, i m not asking y he got it back. My question to gm is on what grounds did they change their earlier decision of not giving it back. Also if we had not pressurised for it, then hacker would have been allowed to keep the item?
Lastly i never said that gms' favor their friends or anything. I dont doubt their ethics or honesty. All i said just shows a normal business practice of serving those who give u more business, and i dont really blame admins for that too. However since i belong to other category of players, that is not having cafe backup, i feel that these people deserve atleast same treatment , if not better from admins.
(I m not talking abt my id, i left caring for it long back, and will delete it if i ever get it back).
And for gmfirst, it would be nice if u can answer the above objective type questions.
First of all what u said just supports my allegations. All i said GMs prefer to base their decision on popularity of a toon (which obviosly depends on the back up he have in terms of his friends which translates in more paying ids). So if a solo player gets hacked, he might not get a favourable decision coz we all will agree on the point that solo player will have less backup as compared to player from huge cafe.
Coming to question of DKM's ss, i m not asking y he got it back. My question to gm is on what grounds did they change their earlier decision of not giving it back. Also if we had not pressurised for it, then hacker would have been allowed to keep the item?
Lastly i never said that gms' favor their friends or anything. I dont doubt their ethics or honesty. All i said just shows a normal business practice of serving those who give u more business, and i dont really blame admins for that too. However since i belong to other category of players, that is not having cafe backup, i feel that these people deserve atleast same treatment , if not better from admins.
(I m not talking abt my id, i left caring for it long back, and will delete it if i ever get it back).
And for gmfirst, it would be nice if u can answer the above objective type questions.
No IC if a char goes against ROC then no point in having backups like Cross u know how famous he is and how much backup he had or has but he was penalized.Banning u is only to make u realise wht u have done is wrong and u see for the revenue they are getting and new ids created or renewed daily banning one famous ID is no big deal.If u famous today some one will take u out tomorow.Like we all were chanting Warmans name but even he was banned for one year.I dont guess any one was as famous as him.He was the only noob's saviour next to uFirst of all what u said just supports my allegations. All i said GMs prefer to base their decision on popularity of a toon (which obviosly depends on the back up he have in terms of his friends which translates in more paying ids).
See Pcompany'sPost, none of those who replied pressurised the GMS.Even i had replied for tht .It was not DKM's mistake but he was naive( accepted).he is always careless ,as i told Sharing ID and Sharing Items are different ,the GMS just did their second lvl of investigation and found out wht Pcompany and DKM told was true.DKM was just made the victim for trusting someone in game(item) but Pcompany let his char be hacked by sharing his ID.Checking Key loggers in cafe is your job u cant blame anyone for that.Hackers doesnt rule A3india we let them remember that.there are so many IDS that are hacked until now how do u explain that.My question to gm is on what grounds did they change their earlier decision of not giving it back. Also if we had not pressurised for it, then hacker would have been allowed to keep the item?
first of all i dont guess many Cafe admins knows anyone from A3india personnaly.most of them doesnt know how to play A3.Previously i guess there was something that admins must know how to play the Game(A3) but now nothing like that.A3 india support is operating different and the GMS different normall calls like account locked inside PVP can be cleared by the mail support team itself or helpers there,But account hacking and all the second lvl escalations has to be attended by the GMS only and the mail support team does not know anyting about this nor the Guides.but wht ever u speak to the guides GMS will know...However since i belong to other category of players, that is not having cafe backup, i feel that these people deserve atleast same treatment
hellarch and fenny both had all the support u r talking abt but nothing was dont in this case so Gms are not partial ..now.. i dont know abt before...
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Still no reply either from Mr. Gmfirst or Ms. IC...ritual wrote:gmfirst wrote: P.S. Ritual hasnt mentioned anything about personal favours but i do remember the great revealing of how we are very partial to the Patels and Sexysam.. Sorry Had to bring it up.
Regards,
[GM]First.Now u tell me... U have all the proof in the world that Mr. Sexysam was involved in item hacking... U ban him for a certain period(1 month or so..) and then release him... And 1 fine day Mr. Sexysam is cleared of all charges... Is out in the open...Hi Sexysam,
Your account has been frozen in regards with the investigation of an item hack. we have clear evidence to prove the transfer of items. Further your conversation with me from the char Magekt fails to prove your stand. In fact after that conversation we come to the conclusion that you have hacked those items. If you strongly stand with your point then to retain those items we will require the player who placed the complaint to write to us stating that he gave the items wilfully to you.
Regards,
[GM]First.
Guess u gave him a vacation from A3 so that he cud grow more muscle in his brain to hack more chars...
It is like a Murderer being sentenced for Lifetime and then coz of some political influence u get the offender acquitted...
Tell me frankly Mr. Brainy Gmfirst... R u not sending a wrong signal to the rest of the players... Isn't this something which makes us feel that HACKERS RULE A3 INDIA... They HACK our hard earned stuff... Make merry out of it... And even when u guys have proof against the hacker... U let him loose which is like swaying the green flag for the other hackers giving them the confidence to hack freely...
And this is the reason why my whole cafe quit... We work hard to achieve something... And the hackers find shortcuts to success which is a teaser to all our harwork...
Eagerly waiting for Gmfirst reply to it... This is the third time i've raised question regarding a proved hacker being released... And the Gm's have always evaded it...
And IC will have to support her claims that our cafe is been BENEFICIARIES!!!
Gm's don't have nething to say against IC when she hits in air by saying GM's favour cafes and category.. If I say something against them immidiately they come up with questions to deviate every1... The reasons shud be best known to them... Now that is called being Partial
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A small episode of monsoon and flu kept me away from the luxury of global connectivity called internet 
. Sorry guys, couldnt visit the forums lately.
In 100 cases there will always be 20 cases that cannot be categorised into anything. They are normally solved through a system of discussion and votes by GM's.
About IC's claims on your cafe, I dont see why i should be getting involved. Any allegations made against us or the game officials will be responded to by us.
Regards,
[GM]First.
. Sorry guys, couldnt visit the forums lately. In 100 cases there will always be 20 cases that cannot be categorised into anything. They are normally solved through a system of discussion and votes by GM's.
About IC's claims on your cafe, I dont see why i should be getting involved. Any allegations made against us or the game officials will be responded to by us.
Regards,
[GM]First.
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LOL!!!gmfirst wrote:A small episode of monsoon and flu kept me away from the luxury of global connectivity called internet
In 100 cases there will always be 20 cases that cannot be categorised into anything. They are normally solved through a system of discussion and votes by GM's.
About IC's claims on your cafe, I dont see why i should be getting involved. Any allegations made against us or the game officials will be responded to by us.
Regards,
[GM]First.
I'm asking u to reply to the Sexysam issue.. U had all the proof in the world(as u have claimed in that quote) that he was a HAKCER... Then why did u release him???
And coming to IC thing... DID u reply appropriately to MS. IC??? Did U ask her to provide ne evidences to prove that we have been Beneficiaries of GM's??? No.. Trying to be sweet to little Girls eh???
Now that is called BEING PARTIAL!!!
Err GMFirst, looks like u missed my post made exclusively for u. i will copy paste it for u.
K time for some objective questions which can be answered in yes/no. I will answere them for u, but in case u feel answer should be otherwise, u can change them.
1.Diablo accepted that retrival of items is based upon respect that a toon have in game?
Yes. (Would be great if admins can define what he meant by respect here)
2.A caracter is penalised only after many warnings?
Yes.
3.So for each penalty levied upon a toon, there r usually more than 1 offence commited by a player? Say a person abuses , he gets warning 1st time, and ban 2nd time.
Yes.
4.A penalised caracter can be said to have atleast 1 unit of respect less than those who have always played fair?
Yes. (Atleast they cant have more respect than fair players)
5.Penalised and shared id gets most of their items back?
Yes. Eg: Fennyhood, Evanescance, Yanaa. (all having good backups in no of paying ids)
6.Nonpenalised and shared id sometimes dont get items back?
Yes. Eg: Pcompany, and many others. (i doubt if they have enough back up).
I will let community decide on it instead of putting my own conclusion which is obvious.
Its common knowledge that u can spawn any item, and i mean ANY, using the gmtools u people use. If u deny on this then i will put up some links on how to edit the items in ur caracter in a private a3 server. Hope u get my point that any item can be spawned. Its entirely the question of why u should do it.
7.And i want to know the reason and parameters on which u decide whether to spawn a item or not.
Besides this, most of the time the item is simply lying in hackers' inventory. Recent example being DKM's supershue for which u agreed to give it back only when many players asked u to do it. If someone else in place of DKM/Pcompany, who dont come to forum often (more so coz ur forum reg is still buggy and new players cant post here) had lost that SS , it would have gone for good into the hands of hacker (oh yeah hacker rulez ).
8.What made u change ur mind in that case when u allowed DKM to have his shue? And do u agree that if we people had not hard pressed for it, u would have let the hacker have that item?
9.I just came across where ur urself accepted sympathesers make a difference to ur account assistance in yanaa's case:
http://forum.a3india.com/viewtopic.php? ... ght=#21719
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GMFirst
Still there were sympathisers and you got free with just de-levelling.
So if someone dont have community support then hes gone for good .... isnt?
Regards
IC
Firstly Is IC a girl 
, If so why should i be lenient. I am a little too old to go jumping around the world to see a girl post in the forum. Actually i am old enough to actually not go snooping to see if its a girl or a guy i am talking to and rather look at the subject matter which is in discussion. Hope it helped clear your doubts.
What IC stated implies GM's taking a different stand on cases from your cafe allegedly because of high pressure from your players. The pressure as you would like to call it is evident from the way you all behave in game and in the forums if any one of your cafe mates get hacked. So its natural for a player to ask, whether the decision was based on the ruckus that you all did or was there any legitimate reason. I am also impressed by the attitude of verifying rather than accusing. This topic is still open in discussion which means IC is putting across all the points which determine the outlook of our Decisions. This is the difference i see between your posts.
Now coming to the objectice questions.
1. By Now you all see that there are different GM's and we all have our duties and certain rules to perform them. Still there is some room diversity based on the approaches used. Gmdiablo mentioned what he felt is most important ingame. Like i mentioned In most of the cases, its a system of votes that decides what is the end result and not just one GM giving a statement and others adhering to it. There is a certain weightage to the players behaviour in-game and past records. But not necessarily be the only factor.
2. Not necessarily, Depends on extent of penalty, motive, confessions, past behaviour, damage control and so on ... Like sexysam who woke up to see his account banned.
3. Mostly yes.
4. YES. But that does not mean he can come around and say i was fair and i was not smart, so i gave my user ID and pass to a player online. get me the account back with all the items.
5. No. They also had lot of item loss. Besides Evanescence was never penalised. The account was hacked. The player has been given a new char.
6. Yes, because the item retrieval procedure does not involve any factors such as in game respect or past penalties. This is a damage control procedure and is limited by the extent of damage in each case. It has nothing to do with back up. Just read up on some of Pcompany's latest revelations. There cant anything more dangerous than himself to his account.
All the players who got their accounts back from a permanent BAN were given inventory swipes and character delevelling to allow them to play the game. Because our motto entirely is to let you all play the game without spoiling the fun of others. We try our level best not put any characters out of the game. At the same time we wont hesitate to put some obvious offenders out of the server.
Regards,
[GM]First.
, If so why should i be lenient. I am a little too old to go jumping around the world to see a girl post in the forum. Actually i am old enough to actually not go snooping to see if its a girl or a guy i am talking to and rather look at the subject matter which is in discussion. Hope it helped clear your doubts.What IC stated implies GM's taking a different stand on cases from your cafe allegedly because of high pressure from your players. The pressure as you would like to call it is evident from the way you all behave in game and in the forums if any one of your cafe mates get hacked. So its natural for a player to ask, whether the decision was based on the ruckus that you all did or was there any legitimate reason. I am also impressed by the attitude of verifying rather than accusing. This topic is still open in discussion which means IC is putting across all the points which determine the outlook of our Decisions. This is the difference i see between your posts.
Now coming to the objectice questions.
1. By Now you all see that there are different GM's and we all have our duties and certain rules to perform them. Still there is some room diversity based on the approaches used. Gmdiablo mentioned what he felt is most important ingame. Like i mentioned In most of the cases, its a system of votes that decides what is the end result and not just one GM giving a statement and others adhering to it. There is a certain weightage to the players behaviour in-game and past records. But not necessarily be the only factor.
2. Not necessarily, Depends on extent of penalty, motive, confessions, past behaviour, damage control and so on ... Like sexysam who woke up to see his account banned.
3. Mostly yes.
4. YES. But that does not mean he can come around and say i was fair and i was not smart, so i gave my user ID and pass to a player online. get me the account back with all the items.
5. No. They also had lot of item loss. Besides Evanescence was never penalised. The account was hacked. The player has been given a new char.
6. Yes, because the item retrieval procedure does not involve any factors such as in game respect or past penalties. This is a damage control procedure and is limited by the extent of damage in each case. It has nothing to do with back up. Just read up on some of Pcompany's latest revelations. There cant anything more dangerous than himself to his account.
All the players who got their accounts back from a permanent BAN were given inventory swipes and character delevelling to allow them to play the game. Because our motto entirely is to let you all play the game without spoiling the fun of others. We try our level best not put any characters out of the game. At the same time we wont hesitate to put some obvious offenders out of the server.
Regards,
[GM]First.